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Carnival Glass Vases

 

Based on Glen & Stephen Thistlewood's presentation to the Carnival Glass Society, September, 2009 

With our thanks to Joan Doty for her help

 

The derivation of the word “vase” implies, simply a vessel. Glass vases are some of the earliest glassware found in history, in fact the first evidence of them dates back to Mesopotamia in the 16th century B.C. Although today we use them for flowers or simply as decorative objects in themselves, they have in the past been used as containers for wine and other substances such as grain. 

 

But what actually is a vase? It’s an easy question, for the vase is a shape we’re all familiar with. Many things will qualify, from an empty jam jar to a stunning bulbous Seagulls vase. They’ll all hold a bunch of flowers nicely, thank you! (Just for the record though, we’re not including rose bowls in this presentation, as they’re a specific shape group for Carnival collectors). 

 

Vases were one of the earliest shapes made in Carnival. The Butler Brothers catalogues are a wonderful source to help pinpoint the timeline of Carnival vase production. In September 1908, what is believed to be the first known advert for Fenton’s Carnival Glass appeared. Described as a “Golden Sunset Assortment” the ad showed 15 different items, among which was a familiar vase: Fenton’s Diamond Point Columns. It wasn’t long before Northwood’s Carnival vases appeared on the market and in 1909 two familiar patterns were shown in Butler Brothers catalogues: Fine Rib and Diamond Point. In the same year another Fenton vase, Long Thumbprint, was illustrated in their ads.

 

A year later, in 1910, Imperial adverts started to appear, featuring their Rococo and Morning Glory vases, and then Ripple is shown from 1911, as part of a "Newest Art" Assortment - as shown on the right.

The ad clearly did not do justice to the real item - as shown by Joan Doty's picture of her fabulous selection of Ripple vases, below. Go here to see a larger picture of this impressive display.

A wonderful display of Ripple vases, by Joan Doty.

Butler Brothers ad for Imperial Ripple

Two adverts from Butler Brothers Mid-Spring 1911 catalog: above for an Imperial selection, and below for Millersburg, including a Rose Columns vase - $2.10 for a dozen pieces!

Another year on, 1911, and Millersburg also had an ad showing a vase: Rose Columns - as shown on the right. In the same year Imperial added the familiar Ripple vase to their repertoire. But it was 1913 before Dugan’s vases first appeared in Butler Brothers catalogues. The non-appearance before that date was most likely due to a marketing decision and shouldn’t be taken to mean they weren’t actually producing Carnival vases until then. When they did appear, they were shown in the colour we know as peach opal, and they featured three familiar patterns: Spiralex, Pulled Loop and Target. Europe was on the Carnival scene around the same time; we have catalogue proof that Brockwitz in Germany was making Rose Garden and Curved Star vases in Carnival Glass as early as 1915 and possibly even prior to that date. 

Not only were vases one of the earliest shapes to be made in Classic Carnival, they also feature among the final shapes to appear. In 1929 Imperial’s Ripple and Dugan-Diamond’s Pulled Loop vases were both included in Butler Brother’s catalogues. And to what maker do you think the prize for the very last Classic vase to appear in those catalogues might be awarded? Hands up those of you who guessed Dugan-Diamond. The date was 1931 and the vase was the Beauty Bud.

 

   Butler Brothers ad. for Rose Columns vase

 

Types of Vases

 

It helps to divide vases into two broad groups: swung and “as moulded”. The majority of vases made in the Classic era in the USA are swung vases, in fact over sixty different patterns of swung vases are known. The process by which they were made was as follows: the molten glass in the form of a hot metal gob was dropped into the mould and pressed, then removed from the mould by being “snapped up”. While clamped by the “snaps” the vase was reheated in the glory hole and then swung while the glass was still pliable (“plastic”) after which it was iridised and then put in the lehr to cool.  

 

Swung Vases

Swung vases are classed by the size (diameter) of their base as this is determined by the mould base plate and thus is constant. They are not classed by height, as it would vary with the “swing”. Here is a broad classification of swung vases by base size. 

 

Mini (or miniature)—has a base diameter of approximately 2.5 inches. 

Standard—has a base diameter from approximately 3 to around 3.75 inches. 

Mid size—has a base diameter ranging from around 3.75 to 4.75 inches. 

Funeral—Northwood and Fenton funeral vases have a base diameter of approximately 5.25 inches. Imperial funeral vases run slightly smaller at 4.75 to 5 inches. 

 

 Selection of vases in the CGS display

T here is a wonderful variety of swung vases, from tiny little bud vases right up to massive funerals. Some swung vases did not get swung and were instead squatty or just slightly swung.

A funeral vase that has not been swung is called a jardinière - an example can be seen in the centre of the display on the left. It is a purple Panelled Treetrunk jardiniere made by Dugan-Diamond. This is a rare vase, and this one is the only one we know of that has beenm found in the UK.

We were amazed to see the Fenton Flute vase in celeste, which is behind and to the right. It is the first reported example in that very rare colour and we have written about it here.

 

The patterns on most swung vases are necessarily abstract, as a figural pattern would be distorted by the swinging (for example, Fenton’s Butterfly & Berry vase, where the butterfly motif is often stretched beyond recognition). Thus we see hobs, bumps, lines, circles, diamonds, curves and loops all used in swung patterns. The design is on the outside of the vase, of course, although there are a couple of exceptions where interior patterns can also be found on swung vases. Imperial’s Ripple (which may have vertical ribs inside the vase) and Fenton’s April Showers (which sometimes has the pretty Peacock Tail pattern inside) are good examples of this anomaly. 

 

“As Moulded” Vases

“As Moulded” vases, quite simply, take their shape from the mould and not from any subsequent swinging or lengthening; some examples may have some top shaping such as flaring or cupping in -see the picture of Western Thistle vases.

 

The pattern on “as moulded” vases is not distorted by swinging and thus there is a wider range of designs often featuring motifs such as figures, flowers, fruits, birds and geometric shapes.  

 

“As Moulded” vases were made by most makers in all the Carnival producing countries, with the possible exception of Australia. It’s worth pondering at this point why virtually no swung vases were made in Europe (with the exception of some from Eda Glasbruk in Sweden). It’s possible that practical considerations such as the cost of an extra process (the swinging), or something as fundamental as the thickness of much European glass, could have been behind it. Also note that the snap tool was not used as much in European Carnival production, the glass was “stuck up” instead (fixed to a punty by a dab of molten glass). It’s likely that the weight of the heavy glass vase stuck on a punty would, quite simply, mean that the vase would not be able to be “swung”. It would simply break off the punty.  

 

A selection of "as moulded" European vases is shown on the right. They are, from left to right:

Foreground: Starburst (Riihimaki, blue); Svea (Eda,blue and marigold); Rose Garden (Brockwitz, blue); 2 sizes of Fleur de Lis (Inwald, marigold).

Backgound: Bishop's Mitre (Riihimaki, marigold); Sunflower and Diamond (Eda version, blue); Balmoral or Heavy Vine (unknown Czech maker, marigold). 

 

 Section of the CGS vases display

 

“As Moulded” vases were usually press moulded, but could also be blow moulded, depending on the eventual shape of the finished article. The usual press moulding technique relies upon the vertical motion of the plunger within the mould. For this to work, the sides of the mould have to be either vertical, or wider at the top than the bottom, to facilitate the removal of the plunger. There are Carnival Glass vases that could not have been made this way—bulbous-shapes, vases with wide, curvaceous shapes, or vases with deeply sculptured patterns—such as Imperial’s Poppy Show, and the Seagulls, Pebble and Fan and similar vases which were made in Czechoslovakia - see our European Top 10 and the Top 10 Honourable Mentions. These vases were made by a technique called blow moulding, whereby the hot metal was forced into the mould with the assistance of pressurized air. 

 

The size of “as moulded” vases varies from the exceptionally tiny (such as the miniature Thistle vase from Canning Town Glass Company) up to massive items like Millersburg’s Peoples vase and Imperial’s Poppy Show vase. Because the “as moulded” vases are not swung, their heights can be used as an aid to classification, however we don’t have specific groupings as with swung vases. 

 

The shape of “as moulded” vases is usually more or less cylindrical, but there are also other shapes such as oval (letter vases) and square, plus of course the bulbous forms of the blow moulded vases. 

 

Whimsy Vases

Although the two basic groups of vases are as shown above, it’s useful to mention a third, albeit very much smaller category, that of whimsy vases. These are items such as pitchers made without a handle to become a whimsy vase or items such as tumblers or spooners that have been shaped into vase whimsies.  

 

Further shaping  

Further shaping can take place on both swung and “as moulded” vases, for example, incurved “tulip” tops, tight crimping, ruffles, points, flares and Jack in the Pulpit (JIP) forms. A brief deviation to look at JIPs may be interesting, as there’s a local connection. The origin of the JIP shape on vases is often wrongly credited to Louis Comfort Tiffany in around 1900. Although Tiffany almost certainly gave the style the name Jack in the Pulpit, it’s possible that the style was first developed in Harry Northwood’s original workplace—Stevens and Williams in Stourbridge—some decades before Tiffany used it.  

 

The JIP shape is characterised by an open mouth with the top shaped upward and the lower part shaped downward – like the JIP plant (a form of arum, or “lords and ladies”). Most USA Carnival makers produced a JIP shape and indeed, Fenton continues to this day. Although the shape most likely originated in the UK, it wasn’t used on English Carnival, simply because there was very little hand finishing and it didn’t fit the “as moulded” style. However, you can see it used on contemporary studio glass made in the UK, for example, Alum Bay Glass and Isle of Wight Glass. 

 

Testing Time 

So, what do you know about Carnival vases?

Can you think of any swung vases made outside the USA? 

Can you think of any colour not represented in vases? 

Can you think of a Carnival maker that did not make vases as regular production items? 

Which makers produced the most vases? 

What do you think is the most “storied” vase? 

 

Answers at the end of this article. 

 

The CGS Display

 

Let’s turn our attention to more of the vases that were in the display.

 

There was such an amazing selection of quality vases and they represented virtually all Carnival makers from all over the world - as shown on the right.

 

Centre stage in this picture is an Australian Gum Tips vase in black amethyst from Crown Crystal. You can also see tantalising glimpses of a host of other lovely vases: Dugan’s Formal, Northwood’s Diamond point (in ice green), Fenton Flute (in celeste), Millersburg Hobnail Swirl (aka Swirled Hobnail), Brockwitz Tartan and a Brockwitz Bremen vase. If you are eagle-eyed you may be able to identify some other splendid pieces too!

 

We were lucky too, that we had a wide range of colours on show, including the Fenton Flute vase in celeste.

 

We also had red, aqua opal, ice green, white and lime green opal, to mention just a few of the unusual colours that were on display. It was very interesting to see them broadly grouped by maker and country: you could actually see the “family” resemblance and common signature characteristics.

 

We did a series of vase interviews for the CGS (see the Newsletter number 128, July 2009), and it was pretty clear that two groups of favourites kept cropping up. One was Imperial’s purple vases with that sizzling hot iridescence they often have that turns your knees to jelly, while the other broad group was European vases from makers like Brockwitz and Eda, plus those fabulous, Czech, bulbous vases like the Seagulls. We were especially lucky to have some breathtaking examples of both those groups on display and they certainly got plenty of admiring attention.

 

A selection of vases from the CGS display

Czech Bulbous Vases

A wonderful display of bulbous vases

From left to right: Giant Lily, Inca, Pebble & Fan and Seagulls.

On show was what we believe is the full complement of the Czech bulbous vases, as pictured on the left . Grouped together like this, it was clear that they are all from the same maker as they all have a bold and sweeping Art Deco style and an identical (and very distinctive) neck and rim mould structure.

 

So who made them? We know they are Czech because of the etched CZECH mark on the base of the Giant Lily vase which also has a gold label that reads: ‘Trade Mark Coronet’. This was the mark of a major U. S. importer called George Borgfeldt and Co. of New York who imported a lot of ware from Czechoslovakia.  

 

So, which Czech maker made them? Our money is on Libochovice. You can read the full story of our analysis in the updated second edition of “Carnival Glass The Magic & The Mystery” but we’ll explain a few points here too. Before the Libochovice glass works closed (in the past decade) they confirmed to us that they used to iridise glass in the 1920s. Furthermore, they had not only the right designer, access to the right mould shop, the right colour match and the right house style. We don’t have full and final proof, but as we say, our money is on Libochovice! 

British Vases

There were some very unusual examples on display from Sowerby and Canning Town Glass Company. Through the late Bob Clements (a well known CGS member) we have an important link with Canning Town Glass, as Bob used to work there. Thanks to him, the mould for the Thistle vase, pictured on the right, now resides at Broadfield House Glass Museum.

Canning Town Glass Company was predominantly a bottle making works. Now stop a moment and look at the Thistle vase. Although it gives the impression of being press moulded, it couldn’t have been. Look at the shape! How was it made? There is no way a plunger could have been used as it couldn’t have been removed. The clue is in the fact that it was made by a bottle making works. Think of a milk bottle (its shape is narrower at the top). The entire process of bottle making is almost fully automated. A feeder separates a stream of molten glass into individual gobs which are then dropped through tubes in a moving track. The gob is shaped into what looks like a short bottle with thick walls and is called a parison. This is transferred to a final mould made of iron, which moves up and clamps around the glass. Air is blown into the glass till it acquires its final, moulded shape at which point the bottle is then released and annealed. 

 

 A Thistle vase with the original mould

 

Rare vases found in the UK 

OK, so a Peoples Vase hasn’t (yet) been found in the UK, but we certainly do see a wide range of rare items – some of them are even rarer than the Peoples vase – and there was an amazing variety of rare vases brought in by CGS members for the display. 

 

There were some splendid Brockwitz vases that have been found here such as the Asters oval vase and the Tartan pedestal footed vase. Smoke vases in the Royal Pineapple and Thistle patterns (plus a teeny, tiny miniature Thistle in marigold) and all the Czech bulbous vases (with the exception of the Giant Lily) have all been found in the UK. Quite a wide range of scarce Czech vases that were produced by the “Unknown Maker” (who we suspect might have been Schreiber) such as the Regal Tulip were also on display. There were also examples of Rindskopf items such as the Classic Arts vase and Egyptian Queen. 

 

Some rare Classic Carnival vases were in the display too, including the Dugan Panelled Treetrunk, one of just a very few known (and this is the only example that has been found in the UK), and the Fenton Flute in celeste blue.

 

Some other exceptionally rare items that were not in the display but we do know they’ve been found here are a pair of Fenton’s Fine Rib vases in celeste blue and a Northwood ice green Tornado vase (the only one so far known). 

 

More recently made European vases that are not often seen

 

We felt it would be interesting to take the opportunity to show these. They are not quite as old as the main bulk of European Carnival (which goes back to 1915 or possibly even earlier) and stretched to around the 1930s.

These more recent examples were made in the 1950s, 60s and into the early 70s. They are:

Foreground: Pastel soap bubble shades of lime, pink and marigold can be seen on the Cascades vases made by Oberglas of Austria.

Background: Behind them are the vivid and vibrant colours of fabulous vases made by Leinauer Glaswaren (LGW), while on the right is a delightful, marigold Luttich vase from August Walther and Sons.

Two vases from Sklo Union were also on display. The first was the Lily Of The Valley vase that was originally designed by Rudolf Schrotter (the famous Inwald designer). We are not certain when or where this was made and iridised, however we suspect it might have been made at Hermanova Hut. The other Sklo Union vase in the display was the Brick Vase designed by Jiři Zejmon and made at Rudolfova Hut in 1969.

 More recent European Carnival vases

 

And now let’s check how you got on with the questions we asked earlier: 

 

Q: Can you think of any swung vases made outside the USA? 

A: Crown Crystal in Australia made some swung vases, but in the main, the USA made the bulk of swung vases. 

 

Q:  Can you think of any colour not represented in vases? 

A: This is a tricky one and we had to turn to Joan Doty for help. She explained that Nile green is the only colour she could think of that was not known in a Carnival vase. 

 

Q:  Can you think of a Carnival maker that did not make vases as a production item? 

A: We could think of a few makers who didn’t produce many vases, for example Cambridge, but it was tricky to think of a maker who made none at all. However, we felt that Cristalerias Rigolleau in Argentina would qualify as would Leerdam in the Netherlands. If you can think of any vases they made, do let us know and also, if you can think of another maker that didn’t produce any, also let us know. (We haven’t included some of the very minor or slightly controversial makers, for which more research needs to be done). 

 

Q:  Which makers produced the most vases? 

A: It’s not an easy question, but we’ll suggest that the greatest amount (judging by what is available today and also bearing in mind contemporary advertising in Butler Brothers catalogues and similar) was produced by Imperial, Fenton, Northwood, Dugan, Brockwitz and Jain.  

 

Q: What do you think is the most “storied” vase? 

A: The answer has to be the Millersburg Peoples Vase, which is arguably the best documented of all the Carnival vases. The first “collector” record of the Peoples Vase to our knowledge was in 1959. Shortly afterwards, during the 1960s, the “going” price seems to have been around $75! Jack Wilson’s Millersburg Research Notes record a blue Peoples Vase at a 1963 Antique Show in Tulsa, Oklahoma selling for $75. The same Research Notes show a green one (that was filled with artificial flowers) sold in 1965 in an art glass shop in Chicago—yes, it went for $75. That same blue vase subsequently sold in 1973 for $7100. Today we reckon that ten Peoples Vases are known, although it is, of course, quite possible that others exist which are not known to collectors.

 

And finally, we want to thank all those CGS members who brought their fabulous vases for the absolutely stunning display. It’s frankly impossible to put into words just how amazingly beautiful and incredibly comprehensive the display was. There were vases of every shape, size and maker from all corners of the world, spanning over a century of manufacture. Our deepest and most sincere thanks to everyone.